Will the US invade Japan someday?

Post # 6
RE: Roundtable - Traditional Modern Japan
Hm ... So I learned something>.
However, I have the impression that you take it a little too seriously. There's no right or wrong here, you said something, I didn't come to terms with that, but instead brought a counter-argument that you again invalidated.

So I clarify my discussion topic a bit and hope that it has not deterred anyone so far.

We all know something that we would call Traditional Japan. Let's take aside that this was only made possible through the exchange between other cultures. Let's imagine Japan would have been isolated at that time. And you wouldn't have brought those ugly boring stone walls, the vermainstream music and the great newfangled treatment methods, etc ... with you.

That's what I actually meant.
The background to this discussion is as follows: I think that Japan has more or less, at least in the areas that I perceive, stopped developing on its own. They are not inspired by other cultures to develop their own culture, but have stopped with their own culture and have instead copied everything from the West 1: 1.

Walk through Tokyo, apart from the fact that you have hidden two temples between huge stone buildings (please note that this is an exaggeration), where is the difference between Tokyo and New York? Skyscrapers, hotels, I don't see anything that I would call typically Japanese. The temples are beautiful and a sight to see, but they are only being restored and have been there for hundreds of years. Maybe it's not as bad as I am presenting here, as I said, I exaggerate occasionally to make it clearer.

It's the same with music. Apart from the lyrics, there is no band that doesn't produce exactly the same mainstream as the Americans. Sometimes she even sings in English. Part of the language consists only of Japanese English. Apparently the Japanese don't even have a word for table (teburu? Really?).

That's why I started this discussion. Not because it has to have a purpose, a moral that we should all strive for, preferably a price tag and a few statistics to increase learning success. This is a forum. A forum where like-minded people talk to like-minded people about their views. If it is forbidden here about ... Well trivial sounds a bit harsh, but let's say talking about things that do not represent an immediately recognizable enrichment for life, then I am very sorry ^ _ ^

I don't want to criticize anyone here in any way, if this discussion is nothing for you, then you don't have to answer, but I thought it might be interesting and also a fun pastime to think about something that nobody has done before.

If I could win the billions of euros in the lottery (yes, I know that it doesn't exist), then I would do just that. A company founding Japanese cultural research without western influences. Like I said. E-Koto, E-Shamisen, what would architecture look like without these cold, artless stone monsters (assuming that you actually only have to research for the sake of architecture and not because you have to cram 200 people into one square meter, keyword capsule hotel).
Personally, I think that the Japanese somehow have figured out what relatively inconspicuous materials can build something beautiful. In France, for example, everything has to be made of gold and silver and otherwise I see huge churches with colored glass, everything sparkles, everything shines. But anyone can build a house as gold (exaggeration). It is precisely the simplicity and that obviously more emphasis is placed on the craftsmanship than on the materials, what I like about Japanese architecture, for example.

But maybe I'm the only one who thinks about something like that, maybe my thoughts are frivolous, out of date and I have to, once again, be kept small, ignored and misunderstood by everyone who thinks differently. Who spends their time thinking ...

Personally, I like what, with my half-knowledge, I understand traditional Japan.

(08/19/2018 11:47 AM) vdrummer wrote:
Kokujou wrote:What about the hiragana anyway? Does that also have its origin in China? With the Kanji this is more or less clear. But the rest of the font would certainly look very different.

Hiragana and Katakana come from Japan, but are based on Kanji. Put simply, Hiragana are "fast" / abbreviated Kanji, while Katakana are parts of Kanji.
Without kanji there would have been no kana either.

I've also thought about the compatibility of Kanji and Japanese. The Chinese, from which the Kanji come, works very differently than Japanese. There is no inflection. This is why the logographic writing system (= characters have their own meaning) works so well. In Japanese, a lot of information is encoded using inflection (= suffixes). Expressing these in Kanji is then again difficult.
If the Japanese had come up with the idea of ​​developing a typeface on their own, it would certainly not have become a logographic typeface. That just doesn't go with the language. Since Japanese has a very uniform syllable structure, a syllable-based script such as Kana would be an obvious choice. But what exactly it would look like is pure speculation. At least I can't think of any clues ...

I think that would really be a useful extension or reduction of the Japanese script. I'm not a fan of these Kanji anyway and find them pretty superfluous, I don't understand the meaning either. Hiragana and Katakana, on the other hand, are simple, almost like the alphabet and easy to learn, because (attention, ignore the absence of technical terms), yes, these lines and circles over the individual syllables and due to this reduction not all 19 * 5 = 95 syllables ( rough estimate!) in individual characters.
Of course there is the problem that some ... Okay, many words are ambiguous and vice versa. But in the conversation this becomes clear from the context and if not you can explain it separately.
For example, if I say I want to take the bus, it is rather unlikely that I mean the USB
(This post was last edited: 08/19/2018 12:05 PM by Kokujou.)